TOKENEric and John work on the front lines of tech. They use the most advanced models and workflows, and the podcast is their way of stepping back to ask what it means to use AI in a way that makes them more human, not less.
Eric and John met working on a data project. Eric had just sold a company and John was leading an eCommerce turnaround as CTO and head of marketing.
Over the next decade, their professional relationship grew into a friendship built on shared beliefs and pursuit of craftsmanship in their work.
After hosting a successful, data-focused podcast for several years, they decided to start their own show.
Eric's career has spanned entrepreneurship (with an exit), product development, and marketing leadership for tech startups.
A long-time writer, he took the plunge and turned it into a career. He currently leads the content team at Vercel, an AI infrastructure company in the heart of Silicon Valley.
He's fascinated by technology, the way AI is impacting writing, and how timeless wisdom can be applied to our increasingly digital lives.
John has spent a decade and a half on the frontier of data and technology across IT, software, supply chain, and data.
After leading the turnaround of a large national commerce and distribution company, he started his own consultancy helping companies use AI for data, analytics, operations, and software projects.
John is a serial tinkerer and loves testing out anything technical, but especially the latest AI tools and any kind of interesting hardware.